Comments on: My Love Hate Relationship with Panic Coda http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/ PHP, ActionScript, TorqueScript, Frameworks Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:31:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: ctlockey http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-637 ctlockey Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:41:21 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-637 I agree, man. Coda has changed the way I develop, BIGTIME. I started developing on a windows box with Dreamweaver of all things back in the day. Coda's awesome, but definitely needs more features. I'm at the point in using Coda that I have so many sites that I don't even use the freaking awesome site grid because it takes too long to find anything anymore. I've begun developing a naming convention for sites and just using the Sites dropdown. So I'm a huge fan of the site folders organization idea. I agree, man. Coda has changed the way I develop, BIGTIME. I started developing on a windows box with Dreamweaver of all things back in the day. Coda’s awesome, but definitely needs more features.

I’m at the point in using Coda that I have so many sites that I don’t even use the freaking awesome site grid because it takes too long to find anything anymore. I’ve begun developing a naming convention for sites and just using the Sites dropdown. So I’m a huge fan of the site folders organization idea.

]]> By: Byron http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-617 Byron Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:28:10 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-617 Here, here! Another vote for Coda 2.0. Surely a walk through Microsoft Visual Studio, Eclipse, or even good ole Notepad++ would bring to light a number of low hanging fruit features that would be greatly appreciated. I know those apps say Windows, but I'm a Mac user/lover/fanboi for my web dev. I do MAMP when I don't have internet access, otherwise, Coda makes it too easy not to just use FTP stuff up to see if it works ;-) The new version of Transmit looks very cool, and seems faster...I'll be shelling out for the upgrade soon. Maybe this means a new Coda is around the corner...oh please, oh please, oh PLEASE! Cheers to all! Byron Here, here! Another vote for Coda 2.0. Surely a walk through Microsoft Visual Studio, Eclipse, or even good ole Notepad++ would bring to light a number of low hanging fruit features that would be greatly appreciated.

I know those apps say Windows, but I’m a Mac user/lover/fanboi for my web dev. I do MAMP when I don’t have internet access, otherwise, Coda makes it too easy not to just use FTP stuff up to see if it works ;-)

The new version of Transmit looks very cool, and seems faster…I’ll be shelling out for the upgrade soon. Maybe this means a new Coda is around the corner…oh please, oh please, oh PLEASE!

Cheers to all!
Byron

]]> By: paperreduction http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-561 paperreduction Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:48:31 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-561 Thanks Dan, you just summed up everything I'm feeling right now. Loosing the CSS is just a small example of the larger issue: Coda needs work. FTP vs local, CI vs not, etc, does it matter? NO. What does matter is that I'm using software that needs work, and if I need to pay more to get that work done, then so be it. BTW pixelslut, how about sharing those shell scripts with us? Thanks Dan, you just summed up everything I’m feeling right now.

Loosing the CSS is just a small example of the larger issue: Coda needs work. FTP vs local, CI vs not, etc, does it matter? NO. What does matter is that I’m using software that needs work, and if I need to pay more to get that work done, then so be it.

BTW pixelslut, how about sharing those shell scripts with us?

]]> By: nomad http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-523 nomad Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:40:45 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-523 I disagree with pixelslut, I've edit server files all the time with no problems whatsoever, it's really not a big deal especially with Coda. I have found that Coda can be unresponsive at times even when working locally, then again I have it open all the time, need to shut down to give it some love. Coda is not a particularly fast app but it definitely gets the job done and is my #1 open app on the mac. I also use the built in browser so I don't have to open another app. I disagree with pixelslut,

I’ve edit server files all the time with no problems whatsoever, it’s really not a big deal especially with Coda.

I have found that Coda can be unresponsive at times even when working locally, then again I have it open all the time, need to shut down to give it some love.

Coda is not a particularly fast app but it definitely gets the job done and is my #1 open app on the mac. I also use the built in browser so I don’t have to open another app.

]]> By: pixelslut http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-508 pixelslut Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:28:08 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-508 Both points you make are valid but they both pretty much go back to your development infrastructure. For example i have shell scripts written in php that take args or a YAML configuration file and build out the infrastucture for a project - this allows me to create a project filesystem, svn or git repo and configure users/perms (assuming access is over DAV), a local dns entry or all of the above by issuing a single command in terminal. I can also deploy in this fashion (via rsync, sftp, or ftp). If im hosting the site i have a series of similar remote scripts i can also invoke to perform similar tasks (Actually im thinking about moving all this from my custom tooling to Phing so i can easily integrate with a CI server wihtout any added development on my part). With that said i have lost files before... Before i was using an SCM it was always painful so im not denying you there... I was just taken aback by the whole ftp editing deal... it always makes me cringe :-) Both points you make are valid but they both pretty much go back to your development infrastructure. For example i have shell scripts written in php that take args or a YAML configuration file and build out the infrastucture for a project – this allows me to create a project filesystem, svn or git repo and configure users/perms (assuming access is over DAV), a local dns entry or all of the above by issuing a single command in terminal. I can also deploy in this fashion (via rsync, sftp, or ftp). If im hosting the site i have a series of similar remote scripts i can also invoke to perform similar tasks (Actually im thinking about moving all this from my custom tooling to Phing so i can easily integrate with a CI server wihtout any added development on my part).

With that said i have lost files before… Before i was using an SCM it was always painful so im not denying you there… I was just taken aback by the whole ftp editing deal… it always makes me cringe :-)

]]> By: Dan http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Dan Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:10:48 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-507 Pixelslut, you make a good point. You know, at one time I was in the habit of using MAMP locally for development, then uploading changes. But a couple of things forced me out of that habit. 1. I work with several clients, each who have dozens of web sites (one client has hundreds) so setting up each site as a "Site" in Coda isn't practical. I have to find alternate ways of setting them up in Coda. For example, I'd create a user that has access to the directory above the web site's hosting directory. That way when I log in via FTP, I see all of their clients as directories. This breaks the "Preview" functionality in Coda, but allows me to store the login as a single login. Again, this doesn't jive with the way Panic intended for Coda to be used. 2. Other designers and developers are working on those sites. Yes, yes, I know, install an SVN server, create a repository for each site, set up each designer with an SVN client yadda yadda. But let me put it this way, there was a moment in time when Microsoft realized that Word was a P.O.S. so they added an "Autosave" document recovery feature. So would it be too much to ask for something similar? Just autosave the file and tuck it somewhere for a day or so. They're just text files. I've got more I could say... but I'll stop there. P.S. I'm still anxiously awaiting Coda 2.0 Pixelslut, you make a good point. You know, at one time I was in the habit of using MAMP locally for development, then uploading changes. But a couple of things forced me out of that habit.
1. I work with several clients, each who have dozens of web sites (one client has hundreds) so setting up each site as a “Site” in Coda isn’t practical. I have to find alternate ways of setting them up in Coda. For example, I’d create a user that has access to the directory above the web site’s hosting directory. That way when I log in via FTP, I see all of their clients as directories. This breaks the “Preview” functionality in Coda, but allows me to store the login as a single login. Again, this doesn’t jive with the way Panic intended for Coda to be used.
2. Other designers and developers are working on those sites. Yes, yes, I know, install an SVN server, create a repository for each site, set up each designer with an SVN client yadda yadda. But let me put it this way, there was a moment in time when Microsoft realized that Word was a P.O.S. so they added an “Autosave” document recovery feature. So would it be too much to ask for something similar? Just autosave the file and tuck it somewhere for a day or so. They’re just text files.

I’ve got more I could say… but I’ll stop there.

P.S. I’m still anxiously awaiting Coda 2.0

]]> By: pixelslut http://www.danmyers.name/wp/2009/12/my-love-hate-relationship-with-panic-coda/comment-page-1/#comment-506 pixelslut Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:51:29 +0000 http://www.danmyers.name/wp/?p=94#comment-506 First off let me say i dont use Coda as i much prefer Textmate, Eclipse, and vim. Despite my hate i have to defend your software of choice here. While technically this is a bug the bottom line is you shouldnt be editing over ftp anyway. Its a horrible practice for anything more than correcting a typo really quick. You should ALWAYS develop locally and then push to a server - regardless of it thats a live server or a development server. This stands regardless of the editor youre using. There are just too many things that can go wrong when working over the network. I could go on about your suggestion to use Timemachine as a SCM but i dont want this to turn into an outright flame :-) First off let me say i dont use Coda as i much prefer Textmate, Eclipse, and vim. Despite my hate i have to defend your software of choice here. While technically this is a bug the bottom line is you shouldnt be editing over ftp anyway. Its a horrible practice for anything more than correcting a typo really quick. You should ALWAYS develop locally and then push to a server – regardless of it thats a live server or a development server. This stands regardless of the editor youre using. There are just too many things that can go wrong when working over the network. I could go on about your suggestion to use Timemachine as a SCM but i dont want this to turn into an outright flame :-)

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